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I don't expect Goldy to average 130 this year. I think he will drop to ~120, maybe even as low as 115.
However I do think he will be the highest scoring ruck as he will likely play all 22 games.
The only other ruck I have confidence in playing 22 games is Jacobs (but with Dangerfield missing and the Crows' difficult SoS I won't be selecting him).
agree, have gone with nicnat as R2 in SC and Jacobs in AF and DT
 

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Goldy R1
NicNat R2
Grimley R3
Tippett/Sinclair F3.

To justify Tippett/Sinclair, I think I need them to:
Finish top 6 Fwd, minus cost of a trade(s) in rucks,
and plus (their ruck score - minus fwd rookie score).

Apologies for the horrible maths!

If they can improve 10-15 ppg, I think they're solid picks. But can they?

Also, what do people think a trade is worth? (In cash and/or points)
i think Sinclair and Tippett are going to take points off each other. One week one will score well the next it will be the other. I dont see any justification in picking either
 
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i think Sinclair and Tippett are going to take points off each other. One week one will score well the next it will be the other. I dont see any justification in picking either

Yeah possible, might upgrade a fwd rookie to whichever doesn't get injured during the year for value and ruck insurance
 

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After tinkering I've ditched goldy. Had goldy and gawn set and forget but flicked him for nic Nat. Extra cash means I can turn mills into Parker as my m5 don't like paying that much for a rookie. Just doesn't sit right with me. Hoping the differences between mills and Parkers scores will compensate in any losses for the nic Nat score over goldys
would mills be a better for upgrading in the byes, where Goldy will just be there all year killing it...
 
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agree, have gone with nicnat as R2 in SC and Jacobs in AF and DT
I think Gawn is a better pick in AF. He has never played more than 13 games in a season which is what steers me away in SC. But in AF with 2 trades every week the risk is a lot less.
 

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I posted this on the Veterans board but figured it belonged here too.
In choosing my rucks durability and scoring potential are the main factors. Playing in top 8 teams another.

Goldstein has played 3, 13, 21, 21, 20, 22, 21 & 21 since 2008.
Jacobs has played 4, 12, 19, 21, 22, 22 & 21 since 2009.
NicNat has played 10, 22, 20, 20, 11, 20 & 20 since 2009.
S Martin has played 8, 19, 2, 21, 7, 5, 12 & 20 since 2008.
Gawn has played 4, 13, 9 & 13 since 2011.

* H&A games only. Stats taken from FanFooty.
 
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I posted this on the Veterans board but figured it belonged here too.
In choosing my rucks durability and scoring potential are the main factors. Playing in top 8 teams another.

Goldstein has played 3, 13, 21, 21, 20, 22, 21 & 21 since 2008.
Jacobs has played 4, 12, 19, 21, 22, 22 & 21 since 2009.
NicNat has played 10, 22, 20, 20, 11, 20 & 20 since 2009.
S Martin has played 8, 19, 2, 21, 7, 5, 12 & 20 since 2008.
Gawn has played 4, 13, 9 & 13 since 2011.

* H&A games only. Stats taken from FanFooty.
So you wouldn't have picked Stefan Martin last year then? I didn't and it cost me big.

Based on that you must be going with Goldy and NicNat I assume? I'd like to do that but think Gawn (and NicNat) can get close enough to Goldy this year to justify spending a lot less. I'd like to grab Goldy, but just mucks up other lines too much to justify it in my mind.
 

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would mills be a better for upgrading in the byes, where Goldy will just be there all year killing it...
Currently have goldy and mills. Found the cash elsewhere. Would love to have the balls to take Zac smith as R2
 

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Currently have goldy and mills. Found the cash elsewhere. Would love to have the balls to take Zac smith as R2
Geelong have best SoS in the comp, knocking down to Danger and Jelwood. Not a crazy pick.
 

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Geelong have best SoS in the comp, knocking down to Danger and Jelwood. Not a crazy pick.
Not crazy at all just want to make sure the third man up cats tactics. Sharing between Vardy Stanley and Blicavs doesn't limit his potential to ton up as opposed to having Gawn as R2. Speaking of crazy picks apparently Luey played well the other day
 

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Can I ask those considering Smith why they're not considering Nicholls at the same price instead?

Nicholls is clearly #1 ruck and will likely spend 80% of his time in the ruck. Arguably, at full-strength Nicholls has a better midfield to hit down to. Nicholls only had one sub-70 score last year (excluding sub-affected games). Smith had 5 sub-70 games including a 35 and a 47. Smith had a better NAB series overall, although Nicholls also tonned up. Nicholls had his first-ever complete preseason. If Smith plays a couple of bad games he'll find himself in the VFL whilst Nicholls spot in the team is quite safe. Both are injury-prone, but as ruckmen that's expected when young and hopefully that will improve as they mature.
 

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So i just took Goldy out of my team, and WOW i like how my ream looks. Now do i have the balls to go in without him? I think with the way my team sits now it should easily cover the points difference (if any). Ah so close now.
 

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So you wouldn't have picked Stefan Martin last year then? I didn't and it cost me big.

Based on that you must be going with Goldy and NicNat I assume? I'd like to do that but think Gawn (and NicNat) can get close enough to Goldy this year to justify spending a lot less. I'd like to grab Goldy, but just mucks up other lines too much to justify it in my mind.
Your assumption is correct - atm I have Goldy & NicNat as my starting rucks.
I had the same pair last year and it worked out ok.
 
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Can I ask those considering Smith why they're not considering Nicholls at the same price instead?

Nicholls is clearly #1 ruck and will likely spend 80% of his time in the ruck. Arguably, at full-strength Nicholls has a better midfield to hit down to. Nicholls only had one sub-70 score last year (excluding sub-affected games). Smith had 5 sub-70 games including a 35 and a 47. Smith had a better NAB series overall, although Nicholls also tonned up. Nicholls had his first-ever complete preseason. If Smith plays a couple of bad games he'll find himself in the VFL whilst Nicholls spot in the team is quite safe. Both are injury-prone, but as ruckmen that's expected when young and hopefully that will improve as they mature.
Money saved allows for Currie at r3 perfect backup. Had Nicholls as a rookie has showed plenty of potential not sure of his consistency.
 

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Can I ask those considering Smith why they're not considering Nicholls at the same price instead?

Nicholls is clearly #1 ruck and will likely spend 80% of his time in the ruck. Arguably, at full-strength Nicholls has a better midfield to hit down to. Nicholls only had one sub-70 score last year (excluding sub-affected games). Smith had 5 sub-70 games including a 35 and a 47. Smith had a better NAB series overall, although Nicholls also tonned up. Nicholls had his first-ever complete preseason. If Smith plays a couple of bad games he'll find himself in the VFL whilst Nicholls spot in the team is quite safe. Both are injury-prone, but as ruckmen that's expected when young and hopefully that will improve as they mature.


NAB per 100min average Smith 139 Nicholls 103, Smith a little bit cheaper & think you are over stating Smith's likelihood of being dropped, do like the idea of Nicholls/Currie combo
 

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So i just took Goldy out of my team, and WOW i like how my ream looks. Now do i have the balls to go in without him? I think with the way my team sits now it should easily cover the points difference (if any). Ah so close now.

It may cover the points difference up to upgrade time but thereafter you have a no-Goldy team for the duration and I reckon that could be an accumulating points difference you may not claw back.

Unless you plan to bring him in?
 

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No chance of bringing him in, I have Martin and Nic Nat in there now. Both i can see averaging pretty well this year, just hope Goldy doesn't back up last year.

Does $100k make THAT much difference to the rest of your side?
 

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Does $100k make THAT much difference to the rest of your side?

It did actually, i was able to strengthen me backline to where now i'm happy with it (and confident). Also upgraded a foward to a premo, so with these 2 upgrades it should cover but i'm hoping will exceed the difference (if any) between Martin at R1 over Goldy.
 

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It did actually, i was able to strengthen me backline to where now i'm happy with it (and confident). Also upgraded a foward to a premo, so with these 2 upgrades it should cover but i'm hoping will exceed the difference (if any) between Martin at R1 over Goldy.

If you don't mind me asking how on earth did you manage to both strengthen your defence AND upgrade a forward to a premium with just 100k? Teach me your ways!
 
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