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Seppo

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I'm not convinced that JOM's current fitness is a reflection of Hawthorn's medicos but more a reflection of the SUN's medicos.

One of the reasons that I'm not convinced about JOM is the fact that Hawthorn spread the SC points around so I don't see JOM smashing out great scores as you say. Does this concern you or do you expect this pattern to change?
I'm not too sure it's a reflection on anyone's medicos, rather a reflection on the injury itself. A ruptured patellar tendon is one of the worst injuries you can get as a footballer. For comparison's sake, it's way worse than doing your ACL. ACL's aren't even a full year out anymore (we've had a few high profile guys over here in the USA come back to full fitness after like 8 or 9 months) and your knee comes back stronger than before surgery. Patellar tendon tears supposedly take a year to recover fully from, but more than likely it either takes at least 2 years to get back to full form or you just never reach it again. Part of it is that your leg is immobilized at the knee for a long time after surgery and your leg atrophies a lot. The other part is just how devastating this particular type of injury is.

I think this year will be very telling for JOM -- he'll either be all the way back or we'll know he's never going to get there. It makes him an extremely risky pick.
 

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Dayne Beams. A quiet 15 touches at 93%DE in the first half ... if Sandi plays well this week there is some chance there might be 100,000+ identical teams in R1.

On reflection, I note that this is a "midpricers" thread, so pls read the following knowing that I assume that a guns and rookies structure is how many people prefer to play the game ...

Please, anyone and everyone, correct me if I'm wrong.
Don't we use whatever pre-season there is to select our rookies, and not our guns. I thought the common knowledge was that gun form is gun form when season comes, but will always be misjudged in the pre-season because of the various omissions from teams (both the teams they're in, and the teams they play).
Sure, its important to know that our guns are fit, but don't we expect that their scores will be so far off the real season scores that it is a bad gamble to select based on pre-season form?

My 2 cents worth ...
 
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... A ruptured patellar tendon is one of the worst injuries you can get as a footballer. For comparison's sake, it's way worse than doing your ACL. ACL's aren't even a full year out anymore (we've had a few high profile guys over here in the USA come back to full fitness after like 8 or 9 months) and your knee comes back stronger than before surgery. Patellar tendon tears supposedly take a year to recover fully from, but more than likely it either takes at least 2 years to get back to full form or you just never reach it again. Part of it is that your leg is immobilized at the knee for a long time after surgery and your leg atrophies a lot. The other part is just how devastating this particular type of injury is....

Hey Seppo, you're not related to Dr Bones, are you?
 

Seppo

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Hey Seppo, you're not related to Dr Bones, are you?
Nope. I'm just so used to hearing about a patellar tendon tear being career threatening over here when in happens in the NFL/NBA. The grueling rehab process always gets beaten to death on sports TV. Players do come all the way back from it sometimes, the odds are just not as good as other injuries. It does help that JOM is really young. I'd probably back him to play a long career because his recovery looks very promising; I just think there's a bit too much risk for me to select him. I also think the probability of him dropping off as this season goes along is fairly high.
 

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He'll be right, no rests because the Hawks will drain every last bit o anything from him. I also but "should" instead of will because of your very statement. If he gets a good run at it he will smash out some great scoring imo. I don't know where Hawthorn get their medicos from but I'd like em' on the Dees books.

I see JOM as a similar option to Libba last year. For mine, realistically the best case scenario is he plays 20+ games and ends up being my last mid upgrade or possibly sits at M8/M9. If he's a genuine keeper all the better, but I'll be selecting primarily for early points and cash generation.
 

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Wow when/if Clayton Oliver gets a tank he'll be a super premo for sure.
 

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Calm down, Bont isn't a once in a decade player. I'm just thinking not every rookie has the "second year blues" and young Oliver could be a good stepping stone to a GAJ come round 9. But I can do the same with a rookie anyway. I really like Oliver but you're right, maybe next year.
 

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Calm down, Bont isn't a once in a decade player. I'm just thinking not every rookie has the "second year blues" and young Oliver could be a good stepping stone to a GAJ come round 9. But I can do the same with a rookie anyway. I really like Oliver but you're right, maybe next year.
I was referring to "once a decade" in regard to how quickly he developed. I can't think of another player in recent history that could average 100+ in their 2nd season, it's very rare and Oliver is at the awkward price where you do probably need him to average at least around 95 to make any sort of decent coin.
 

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I was referring to "once a decade" in regard to how quickly he developed. I can't think of another player in recent history that could average 100+ in their 2nd season, it's very rare and Oliver is at the awkward price where you do probably need him to average at least around 95 to make any sort of decent coin.
Fyfe?
 

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Can some of you Cats supporters please expand a little on George Horlin-Smith? We're all salivating about JOM and Swallow but this bloke has had a great JLT and is only 234K which is basically a rookie price. What's his JS looking like? I noticed Scott Selwood isn't playing? Are they competing for the same spot?

In the absence of good rookies this year in the mids I just thought it was worth the question.
 

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Can some of you Cats supporters please expand a little on George Horlin-Smith? We're all salivating about JOM and Swallow but this bloke has had a great JLT and is only 234K which is basically a rookie price. What's his JS looking like? I noticed Scott Selwood isn't playing? Are they competing for the same spot?

In the absence of good rookies this year in the mids I just thought it was worth the question.


It's just job security that's the worry, he's loved at the club, seen as a real leader, got a very SC friendly style but I'd need to see/hear Chris Scott say that he get's his chance this season.
 
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